Taxes Taxes Taxes

Taxes Taxes Taxes

The big news this week in the UK media has been the announcement from the Labour party that they will introduce a ‘Mansion Tax’ based upon the value of your home if it is worth more than their baseline of £2million. With the general election coming up next year, it’s interesting to see a party actually planning to raise new taxes rather than announce the usual vote swinging promise to lower them.

Personally I’m in two minds about this form of taxation. Being a Parish Councillor and on the Infrastructure and Finance committees; I have a direct insight into why taxes are required and how the money is spent within the community. Taxes are an important part of our economy and ensure basic services are maintained as well as supporting the vulnerable. However, what I am against is any form of taxation which seeks to discriminate against those who have worked hard for their achievements.  I’m a strong capitalist and believe that hard work and achievement should be viewed favorably instead of met with criticism and additional restrictions such as higher taxation rates. This form of proposed ‘Mansion Tax’ is particularly worrying as it makes no account for a person’s actual income rate. The guru of UK retirement blogs, Ermine has already already encountered this problem first hand and it makes for potentially worrying reading to us aiming at early retirement.

One of the main strategies to achieve early retirement is a focus on reducing expenses whilst accumulating capital. This capital lump sum is then used to provide a normally low level of income which matches the previously achieved low level of expenses. Capital rich but income poor means you become a big target for this type of taxation and with the double whammy of not having a suitable income to pay it. Even more worrying is that in this case the capital valuation is based upon an asset who’s value is largely beyond our control. House prices are effected by so many external factors that it may be impossible to predict if/when the value of your property will pass the benchmark and you become liable for a new annual tax expense.

Supporters of this kind of policy will always argue that it is aimed at the super rich and so will not affect the vast majority of us. However as we’ve seen many times in the past; baselines tend to creep and I wonder how long until the required house valuation falls to £1million, £500k.. £250k. UK council tax is already based upon your house’s value with little regard to the household income and stamp duty imposes specific percentage increases at  different valuation points. It’s clearly not just the super rich who are being hit by this kind of capital based taxation.

In my ideal world; taxation would be at a set level based upon a person’s income. Those who earn more will automatically pay more without the need for different bands of tax rate and accumulated capital will be left untouched as the income required for that accumulation has already been taxed. Obviously this is likely to be an unsustainable economic model for a country so heavily invested in public services such as the UK however it does make me question the current system of taxing income, capital AND spending such as we currently do. Potentially adding in a taxation on death in the form of inheritance tax too.

If you, like me, are working on the reducing expenses whilst accumulating income generating capital plan then proposed policies such as this need to be heeded as a warning call. You might not have a £2million house.. but you will almost certainly achieve an above-average savings pot of cash and stocks which could become easy pickings for those pesky taxes.

 

Will you be hit by a mansion tax, or worried that you may be in the future? Or do you support taxation on capital and think it’s a vital way for raising government funds? Please let us know in the comments below.

8 thoughts on “Taxes Taxes Taxes

  1. Hi Guy,

    I can’t say that I’m too concerned with this tax suggestion at the moment. I say that as someone who lives in the county of Herefordshire. The house prices here are below average and are very reasonable. We have a semi detached house with 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms, and there are two of us. Our house price is £210,000, so we’re ten times off the current level.
    We don’t plan on moving for a while and if I were to become financially free, I wouldn’t plan on moving into a house worth £2m. I think we would find a £500-£750k a bit excessive.
    You raise a valid point on house price increases though. If they chose to hold that limit for 10-20 years it might become a problem for us and many others. I can only assume here (and you know what they say about assumptions!) but, if the house prices were to go up 25-50% in the next 10 years, I think they would have to review the Mansion tax limit ‘somewhat’ in line with it. My interpretation is that they view £2m as excessive in todays prices, and it is a lot of money for a house (especially where I’m from). If they move the limit up in line with what’s deemed excessive in 10-20 years, then I don’t think I’ll be impacted.

    I don’t think people in London and the South East will be agreeing with me here, and I might have a slightly different opinion if I lived there too!

    Nice topic and thanks for sharing.

    Cheers
    Huw

    1. Hi Huw,

      I’m in the South East in a fairly expensive area so know some households around here will be directly effected. My main point was though that this sort of thing becomes the tip of an iceberg which paves the way for more capital based taxation focus. You might not have an expensive house, but from the looks of your portfolio it is already way above the ‘normal’ savings amount for most people here in the UK and I’d guess planning to grow for a number of years? Could well be the focus of the next new capital tax initiative.

  2. If I were to live in the UK I wouldn’t get hit by this tax. It’s an interesting concept and maybe that would be a good thing to implement here in Canada?

    If I recall correctly, some countries have tax brackets based on your net worth instead of your income. That could be an interesting concept but may deter people from increasing their net worth…

    1. Hi Tawcan,

      It’s a concept I’m very much against. As you said; it acts as a disincentive to increase net worth plus makes it that much harder to achieve an early retirement. Something im sure most readers of this blog will be trying to aim for themselves.

  3. California has done something similar with an extra tax on those that earn the most. It doesn’t bother me since I think it will be used mostly for schools and to close budget shortages, etc. Also, I think it only hits single earners over $500k and married over $1m, so it is really only affecting the affluent citizens.

    I don’t quite make enough to be worried about it, but my opinion is Social Security and Medicare stop at about $117k, so some taxes stop earlier on and this is only affecting one piece of the bracket so its not all wages being taxed more, just a portion.

  4. Personally, I have always been vehemently against the concept of targeted tax penalties. I’m not super rich – far from it, in fact. But, I also hate the fact that governments target those who happen to have more money simply because they can. It gets to the point where success is penalized, and if it gets extreme enough, completely devalues the concept of working hard in life and building some serious wealth.

    I will never be hit by a mansion tax because, regardless of how much I make in life, I will never live in a mansion.

    1. Exactly. These taxing schemes discourage savings and accumulating wealth. One saves up to acquire a residence in a solid neighborhood and is punished because of making wise choices, that is– NOT frittering away one’s money at the local pub each night. Buying an ale and purchasing a home are both consumer behaviors, yet the wiser choice of investing in a higher end home is punished? No wonder so many of our poorer friends continue to mismanage what funds they have!

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